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Offline John

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Jim Guard Cycles, Southampton
« on: October 13, 2013, 13:38:15 pm »
My first ever employment was at Jim Guard Cycles, 124 Macnaghten Road, Southampton. I can still remember the telephone number too - 0703 27179. Happy days - I was 16 and employed on the Youth Training Scheme for the princely sum of £25 per week although I had had a Saturday job here since I was 15. Jim Guard himself was a strange chap, a former time-triallist and well known in local cycling circles, although the shop never managed to compete in prestige to our rivals across town, Rotrax. Jim's most useful bit of advice when repairing or preparing a cycle was to always wipe it with an oily rag to give it a shine. In fact he was so confirmed in his faith in the oily rag that I sometimes supposed he kept one by his bed.. Jim and his wife were confirmed Jehovah's Witnesses, and as an impressionable youth I was bombarded by pamphlets extolling the virtues of holding hands with girls as being the limit of my needs, and to avoid the perils of masturbation. Ho hum..

The shop was actually run on a day-to day basis by Dick Southey when I was there, a lovely bloke with a wry sense of humour. To the rear of the shop proper was the workshop, my humble domain, where new cycles were prepared for sale and repairs carried out on customers' bikes. I had a huge wooden workbench with a big shelf above that was just big enough for me to climb on and sleep off my Norfolk Dry Cider lunches, much to Dick's disgust. Also a frame jig and wheel jig - I bet I could still build a decent wheel today if I had the gear! There were boxes and boxes of obscure items tucked away, parts for equipment that had vanished in the 1950's even. At the time I was, I think, the only mechanic in Southampton who was able or willing to completely strip and rebuild Sturmey-Archer planetary hub gearing.

Eventually Jim Guard retired and sold the business on to a chap who had been made redundant from Leyland management. Can I remember his name? Nope, although I do recall his wife, Sonia. Things went downhill rapidly under their ownership, and I rapidly departed to pastures new leaving poor Dick to bang his head against the walls in frustration and anguish as things deteriorated.

Photograph below was taken by Dick in 1981 (ish), and shows me outside the shop with a Japanese round-the-world cyclist who we put up overnight in the yard at the rear. I'm the one on the left  ;D
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Offline Quiet Mike

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Re: Jim Guard Cycles, Southampton
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2014, 19:53:35 pm »
I bought a Jim Guard last year, but knew nothing about it, cheers for filling in a few of the gaps!  I bought it locally, and only live a mile away from the shop.

It's from roughly 1950, give or take a year. As Jim set up shop in '49 it's pretty early. The other end of the Jim Guard history from yours!  

Mike.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/29051501@N08/sets/72157636522031616/with/10257986994/

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Re: Jim Guard Cycles, Southampton
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2014, 08:58:05 am »
What  lovely old treader! It's a shame that up until around 2001 I had a reasonable collection of JG decals (as well as many other brands), but they vanished. Would have done you a treat for your restoration  :'(
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Re: Jim Guard Cycles, Southampton
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2014, 09:36:48 am »
What  lovely old treader! It's a shame that up until around 2001 I had a reasonable collection of JG decals (as well as many other brands), but they vanished. Would have done you a treat for your restoration  :'(

Cheers John. No worries about the transfers, although they would be lovely to see ...  I figure this machine is pretty rare, so will conserve the original paint and transfers that remain. I'm not into shiny 'factory fresh' restorations myself, I prefer things to show their age, especially if they are original.

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Re: Jim Guard Cycles, Southampton
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2014, 12:02:12 pm »
So is No 124 where the the glass shop is now?

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Re: Jim Guard Cycles, Southampton
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2014, 13:23:06 pm »
How things have changed! Yes Mike, that's the place. I've just had a look on Google streetview and can tell you a bit more. The low building attached to it (out of sight to the left in your picture) was the main showroom, which could only be accessed via the shop itself by walking through the workshop. Approximately a third of the ceiling space in the showroom was taken up by what I can only describe as a suspended floor, which was used to store wheels. I can't see any sign of it in streetview, but between the shop and the showroom was another doorway, a narrow alley between the two buildings, where the staff used to put their own bikes.

The top storey of the shop wasn't accessible from the business - it was, in my day, a separate flat that was let to a lady by the name of Val. The building on the far right of your picture was a carpet warehouse - 'May's Carpets'.

Trying hard to remember some of the brands we sold - in the bog-standard 'complete' category all I can remember are Dawes and Falcon, and we had the franchise for some weird Dutch / Japanese brand called something like Koga Miyata. The more specialist frames were Holdsworth (Reynolds 531 tubing) and Alan (aluminium). Raleigh were despised - mainly due to their using a different size thread on all their components, 26 tpi if I remember correctly, instead of the standard 24.  

In those days the best components were Campagnolo - Gran Turismo being the bargain-bucket variety, followed by Record and the horrendously expensive Super Record. Campag also made such delights as little pots of white grease that cost three times as much as other brands. Shimano was sneered at in those enlightened times, but their chainsets weren't really that bad. Their hubs were definitely useless - I can remember a training companion (who later turned pro) shattering his on a semi-regular basis on various hills. Cinelli made some lovely handlebars, my choice being Cinelli 65's. Mavic rims were sought after, and the best tubular tyres were Wollber ('Wobblers', as we called them).
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Re: Jim Guard Cycles, Southampton
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2014, 13:53:01 pm »
After a recent appeal in the Bitterne Historical Society newsletter this has just dropped into my inbox from Terry Pook  8) 8) 8)

I saw your request for info about Jim in the BLH mag. and have copied a
page (the attachment) from a book "Hampshire Heritage, a Look Back
through the Decades, Series 2", which is a compilation of Keith
Hamilton's pages from the Echo.  There is no date stated as the
original date of the article.  The wording in the article seems to
agree with your assumption that he did not build his own frames as he
stocked several well known makes in his shop but did build his own
wheels.  I hope this info is new to you.

Happy Hunting,

Terry



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Re: Jim Guard Cycles, Southampton
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2014, 15:46:44 pm »
Fantastic - thank you so much for posting this! All the years I knew Jim, and he never once mentioned working on the Spitfire  :o  Good to see the photo with Dick Southey in it, he was a lovely bloke, I lost touch with him many years ago and often wonder if he's still around. Would be about 76 years old now.

It made me smile to see Jim's Chrysler Alpine in the background - it used to sound like a mobile sewing machine..

Please let Terry Pook know he's made an old Bitterne boy very happy  :)
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Re: Jim Guard Cycles, Southampton
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2014, 12:32:51 pm »
More info from a LFGSS forum member, and a fellow Jim Guard Cycle owner!  This from Jim Guards daughter Sue ...

http://www.lfgss.com/thread129370.html

Quote from: Simpson79;4327172
When I was speaking to Sue (his daughter) who contacted me through LFGSS all the way from Sydney (again amazing LFGSS moment) this is part of what she told me of Jim. I have left out some more personal parts she let me in on but sure she would be happy to let this out on the forum. Sadly the Family don't have a frame left in the family and as yours is the only other apart from mine (nervex lugged path frame), I'm not sure how many are out there?

This is from Sue, Jim Guard's daughter

Dad’s shop was Jim Guard Cycles Southampton. It was at 124 McNaughton Road opposite Bitterne train station. We lived in Greenways off Stoneham Lane and Dad cycled 2 1/2 miles to work every day and home for lunch. He did track cycling before the road racing was allowed and then raced 50s, and 100s and a few longer 12 and 24 hours. I can only find a few results on the internet with his name.

Dad was cycling from a young age. Born in 1917 – I know he was cycling at 17 and he went to Vickers and Eastleigh Airport when 19 to work on the prototype Spitfire. He lived at 35 Buller Road Bitterne with his Mum and Dad until he married Mum in 1949. There are photos of them cycling in North Wales, and Austria in 1946, 1947….
Dad was in The Southampton Wheelers. Cycled with them for many years. He met Mum when he was secretary and she came along to ask about riding… So that was the 40s!
There was a Jim Guard cup that someone invented for club rides in the 70s or 80s – I’m not sure if this was The Wheelers or someone else. Dad always looked after the club cyclists and had a reputation for being fair and honest and gave great service. They could always rely on him to go out of his way to help them. I think the cup was more because of this than his amazing results in races! Here’s a link to a race in 1954! http://www.southdc.org.uk/archive/res1954/540425.htm

Dad’s partner at the shop was Dick Southey he’s in the photo with Mum and dad at the shop in the 70s. Nice shirt!! He died in 2006 or 2007. I know Dad was sick then and Mum didn’t tell him. Dad sold the shop around 1989 and still owned the buildings for a few more years. It’s been a glass place since being a cycle shop.

We used to go to Birmingham a lot for trade shows and to visit factories, so I think the frames likely came from there somewhere. Dad did not make them himself. He was a big fan of Reynolds. I could only find out more if I can talk to the old cyclists or a guy at Southampton Echo that does the historical things.

Dad’s last bike which he was still riding at 84, was not one of his own frames. He gave us bikes too and they were Dawes, Viscount, etc… I haven’t seen one of his for years and the only photo I could find in my collection – thankfully retrieved 2 years ago! – was one of the three usual lads he was often seen cycling with. The bike at the front has Jim Guard on the frame. I think the rider is Frank Drinkwater who is no longer with us, but his wife Eva, still cycles and has always lived at Bassett Village in Southampton. The Veteran’s Time Trial Association mentions her as being in Sotonia CC and I’ve emailed The VTTA for more details…

Dad was still able to do 100 miles in a day when he was 83! My husband suggested one year when we were there with him, that he should do miles for years on the 10th September every year when he got a year older! I think it was 1987 when we stayed for 6 months and he was 70. He did that every September and on his 83rd he thought - “I haven’t done 100 lately” so he did 100. (Southampton to Warminster and back was his 100 ride.)
He was still going strong at 86 in 2004, but had broken a leg in 2000, then a hip in 2002."

Jim Died in 2008. sounds like a fine innings, and proud to have one of his frames with his name on it.

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Re: Jim Guard Cycles, Southampton
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2014, 17:08:45 pm »
I actually feel quite emotional now, knowing that both Jim and Dick have passed on. Thanks for sharing that post, a lot of fascinating detail in there. Oddly enough I don't remember Jim and Olive's daughter at all, just a son. RIP Jim.

Looking again at Dick in the newspaper photo, more memories come flooding back. I don't recall the amazing collars, but he always seemed to wear that Army pullover. Had a lovely wife and son (Martin?). Dick would always smoke 3 cigarettes in the pub on a Thursday night, and that was it. And, despite running the shop when I knew him, he had a strange attitude towards customers - his friends, such as Marvin with the glass eye, would be greeted warmly and treated to a cuppa or four from the battered urn in the workshop, but 'ordinary' folk would be greeted with a smile while, without moving his lips, he would say to me "What does this Drongo want?.."

Dick, if they have Internet in heaven and you're reading this, thank you for the good years. I miss you buddy.
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Re: Jim Guard Cycles, Southampton
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2014, 16:54:59 pm »
Hello John

Thanks for the lovely pictures and tales of Jim and his cycle shop.

I worked at Jim's shop in the early 70's on Saturdays just before I left school. I didnt get payed cash, instead I worked for a brand new green Dawes Galaxy with quick release wheels, Chimano gears, 12 speed etc. Similar to this picture :-

http://s734.photobucket.com/user/ipokecows/media/1970s%20Dawes%20Galaxy/dawesgalaxyFS006.jpg.html?sort=3&o=34

I went to school with Jim's daughter Sue and went round his house for meals with my family.

Shame to hear that Dick has also pass away, I had many happy memories working in the shop even if the old wooden till was years out date.

Steve

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Re: Jim Guard Cycles, Southampton
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2014, 17:11:17 pm »
Hi Steve, welcome along  :)

How could I have forgotten that till  :o  It was still in use after Jim sold the business.. an absolute antique, I could never get my head around why we had to write everything onto that till by hand, and then ring it up on a printing calculator too.

Have you got any more memories of your time there? There was the creepy old shed out the back that I swear contained the biggest spiders in the whole wide world. After your time, I know, but other names have resurfaced - Paul Rogers, who became mechanic just before me - he was an amazingly fit cyclist (rode for GS Europa, I recall, and went on to serious things). Steve McDermott, who was a training buddy of mine on our 100 mile plus jaunts round Hampshire and Wiltshire. His Dad sued Jim Guard after Steve was injured by a Wonderlight, that he'd bought from the shop, twisted around on his front fork and locked the front wheel. The Pascoe brothers who worked there at various times - can't recall the first names, but one of them had an amazingly beautiful girlfriend who looked, err, fetching in Lycra  :D

(just remembered the first name of the chap who took over - it was Frank, but I still can't remember his surname).
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Re: Jim Guard Cycles, Southampton
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2015, 11:46:34 am »
How things have changed! Yes Mike, that's the place. I've just had a look on Google streetview and can tell you a bit more. The low building attached to it (out of sight to the left in your picture) was the main showroom, which could only be accessed via the shop itself by walking through the workshop.

I took a snap of the building showing the extension on the left, the former showroom.
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Re: Jim Guard Cycles, Southampton
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2016, 10:41:43 am »
I noted the apposite name of the shop now; RIDON.....Ride on?

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Re: Jim Guard Cycles, Southampton
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2016, 13:33:14 pm »
I've split away some of the information that was contained in this topic to create a new one, specifically about Southampton Wheelers.
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