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Re: Dornier 17 crew members - 'lost' for 72 years - Whitstable
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2016, 16:21:15 pm »
I paid another visit to Whitstable Cemetery today, and there hasn't been any change with this grave (if it really is one..).
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Re: Dornier 17 crew members - 'lost' for 72 years - Whitstable
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2016, 21:13:42 pm »
I never did get a reply from the RBL

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Re: Dornier 17 crew members - 'lost' for 72 years - Whitstable
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2017, 14:30:12 pm »
Another year has gone past, and still no news on these men.  It all seems a bit suspect to me now - surely something would have happened if they really were down there?
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Re: Dornier 17 crew members - 'lost' for 72 years - Whitstable
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2018, 12:51:06 pm »
Another year has gone past, and still no news on these men.  It all seems a bit suspect to me now - surely something would have happened if they really were down there?

I am starting to think that you are correct in doubting that this is an actual grave.  Are they really still there ?

Here is the original CWGC 'Graves Registration' document showing the German Luftwaffe burials in Whitstable Cemetery.  

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Re: Dornier 17 crew members - 'lost' for 72 years - Whitstable
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2018, 16:21:40 pm »
The latest update:

1) No change in the 'grave' - everything's as it was.

2) No response from the German Embassy in general, or the Defence Attaché Staff in particular, to my requests for information, the last one being in February of this year.
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Re: Dornier 17 crew members - 'lost' for 72 years - Whitstable
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2018, 17:02:07 pm »
The wooden cross was standard for German graves, I remember finding a couple on a rubbish heap in Stockbury churchyard in the late '50s and then told the the bodies had been exhumed.  I can't believe the documents would be crossed out and marked moved if there hadn't been either 4 bodies lifted or a common coffin if what remains there were had been put together
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Re: Dornier 17 crew members - 'lost' for 72 years - Whitstable
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2019, 14:12:53 pm »
Maybe I should change the topic title to ".. lost for 79 years" as we're now into 2019 and still no responses from anyone in authority, no answers, no clues. Was it all a load of cobblers to start with?

If anyone feels like approaching the German embassy, good luck. They are obviously too busy plotting where to invade next to bother replying to repeated emails. Courtesy costs nothing, but obviously isn't a German trait.
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Re: Dornier 17 crew members - 'lost' for 72 years - Whitstable
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2019, 15:13:37 pm »
CWGC Cannock Chase listing shows both these men buried in Collective grave Plot 9 Row 8 Grave 49 (Coll.).  To me it looks like the whole story is based entirely on the fact a cross was left behind. If they are still at Whitstable what/who was buried in Cannock?
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Re: Dornier 17 crew members - 'lost' for 72 years - Whitstable
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2021, 10:52:01 am »
I had a crack at the "volksbund" website.

It returned the same as Pete's information. Verbatum -

Horst von der Groeben
Surname: from the Groeben
First name: Horst
Rank: First lieutenant
Date of birth: 02/05/1916
Place of birth: Freiburg
Date of death / missing: 08/13/1940
Place of death / missing: Whitstable room

Horst von der Groeben is buried in the military cemetery in Cannock Chase .
Final grave site: Block 9, Row 8, Grave 49

Gerhard Müller
Surname:Müller
First name: Gerhard
Rank: First lieutenant
Date of birth: 01/26/1913
Place of birth: Berlin-Charlottenburg
Date of death / missing: 08/13/1940
Place of death / missing: East Church at Sheerness

Gerhard Müller rests on the war cemetery in Cannock Chase .
Final grave site: Block 9, Row 8, Grave 49
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Re: Dornier 17 crew members - 'lost' for 72 years - Whitstable
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2022, 20:05:44 pm »
I am starting to think that you are correct in doubting that this is an actual grave.  Are they really still there ?

Here is the original CWGC 'Graves Registration' document showing the German Luftwaffe burials in Whitstable Cemetery. 

Hi, are these grave registration documents available online?  I've searched, but have not been able to locate them.
I'm looking into the potential burial at Whitstable of a German Airman in late February or early March 1944 and am interested to see if there are additional pages war grave registrations for Whitstable cemetery.

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Re: Dornier 17 crew members - 'lost' for 72 years - Whitstable
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2022, 16:06:50 pm »
Hi Matthew,

I've split this topic to create a new one:

Edward Charles Bashford, Seasalter, February 1944
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